5BarX.com

Knee-Deep In Cow Stuff
It is currently Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:04 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:59 pm 
Offline
not new
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:07 pm
Posts: 64
Location: central Ohio
I have had this book for awhile now. Is it just a Tom Burke production or is it a accurate description of the most influential bulls in Angus history. Only two Shoshone bred bulls in it but Pine Drive Big Sky is to.

It says PBC 707 1M achieved his popularity along with a aura of intrigue that lingers to this day after his death. He is the sire of some pretty famous cows. What is his story? Is he the cause of fat cow syndrome? i.e. ideal 4465 cow.....

_________________
The best thing about raising cattle is raising cattle.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:03 pm 
Offline
Site Moderator

Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:41 pm
Posts: 1750
Location: Ohio
Don't confuse Greatest with Most Influential! 2 different things!

_________________
Mark Day D.C.
Day Angus Farms
Home of Great Female Employees Since 1957
Russellville, OH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:38 pm 
Offline
regular here

Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:07 pm
Posts: 100
Location: Florida
You can bet that is Burke's opinion only, probably only came from farms that use/used him as a sale manager.

I havent seen the book, care to share some/all of the names.

A good read in the same type of book is the Keith Evans book "history of the Angus breed" (something like that)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:21 am 
Offline
not new
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:07 pm
Posts: 64
Location: central Ohio
Some highlights for you jscunn. Here are some quotes from the authors.
The 70's
Rito 707 of Ideal 533, cornerstone performance sire bred by master breeder Martin Jorgensen.
Schearbrook Shoshone, the original maternal and marbling bull.
CSU Rito 4114, an instituiton in many important pedigrees.
PBC 707 1M F0203 famous sire who to this day is surronded by aura and intrigue.
Shoshone Viking GD60, 50,000 midland sale topper, stole out of a pasture at age 6 and never found. One of 12 bulls in the breed proven free of all defects by mating him to 35 of his daughters.
PS Power Play, one of the all time most influential bulls in angus history.
QAS Traveler 23-4, has impacted angus genetics around the world and will continue for all future generations.
Rito 9j9 a true angus legend.

The 80's
Pine Drive Big Sky, one of the landmark sires in the history of the breed, he contributed added growth and maternal productivity.
Tehama Bando 155, brought to Select Sires as a heifer bull and ended up selling over a million dollars worth of semen.
Lovan sold for 320,000 following widespread pre- sale speculation as to what he would bring.
AAR New Trend died from dehydration in a Nebraska pasture.
Paramount Ambush sold all 270,000 units for select Sires.
Scotch Cap, know as the breeds cornerstone carcass sire.
Rito 2100 GDAR opened the door for GDAR Ranch and a long list of sires from them followed.
N Bar Emulation EXT, the most widely used sire of the angus breed bred for performance, carcass, volume, and maternal.
DHD Traveler 6807 , between he and EXT , they are the most dominate sires of their era and 6807 is considered the greatest bull bred by Dale Davis.

The last bulls they choose to carry on the tradition were GAR Integrity, Boyd Beef Maker, Tehama Blackcap Revolution, and SAV Peacemaker. How did that work out lol?

It's a huge book. Any bull you want a snipit on let me know. I just felt I was being a little bit blowdarted and bushwacked when I read this. Tom Burke, who looks just like his picture, what is that 1965? Kurt Schaff and Rance Long wrote the book for what thats worth.

_________________
The best thing about raising cattle is raising cattle.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:51 am 
Offline
regular here

Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:07 pm
Posts: 100
Location: Florida
Thanks Trevor, Did they happen to have any bulls born in the 1990s on the list or even some 2000s?

I never knew about Viking being stolen, I bet that is a good story in itself.

Thanks again.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:58 am 
Offline
founding member

Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:55 am
Posts: 1319
Location: Arkansas
When it comes to Tom Burke you either like him or hate him. I have never seen Tom when he was not upbeat which is a good trait to have. Tom is a sale manager and is very good at being a sale manager. Understand who he is and what he does as he is good at his profession.

One thing you have to say about Tom is he knows more pedigree's by memory that most anyone you will ever meet. I have heard him rattle off pedigree's and then went and looked those pedigree's up on the internet and he was right.

_________________
sugar springs


Last edited by sugar springs on Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:47 am 
Offline
founding member

Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:41 am
Posts: 586
Location: Schellsburg, PA
not so fast my friend...I know somebody who will give Burke a run for his money on reciting pedigrees. Sam Wiley.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:49 am 
Offline
not new
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:07 pm
Posts: 64
Location: central Ohio
jscunn wrote:
Thanks Trevor, Did they happen to have any bulls born in the 1990s on the list or even some 2000s?

I never knew about Viking being stolen, I bet that is a good story in itself.

Thanks again.

Lots of bulls from the 90's
New Design 036, cornerstone in carcass genetics
Sitz Traveler 8180,one of the great female sires in the history of the breed
GAR Precision 1680, his eighth dam was sired by Prince E&B 250 who was owned by Tom Burke and was only used through fresh A.I. as he was to small to physically mount a cow!
Leachman Right Time, the greatest all around performance bull in the breeds history.
There are 50 bulls alone in the book from the 90's
2000's
Traveler 004, BR Midland,, Rito 1I1, 1I2, WCC Special Design, TC Freedom, Mytty In Focus, and a bunch of bulls that I never here of anymore.

I saw Tom Burke work his magic at a few sales. The man is good at what he does.

_________________
The best thing about raising cattle is raising cattle.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:55 am 
Offline
founding member

Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:01 pm
Posts: 925
Location: MO
I think some of the young bulls in the 2000's were bulls the writers picked as up and comers. I don't think they thought they were Angus Legends....yet. Obviously, they thought they would be considered Angus Legends in the future.

Everybody tries to pick them.........but nobody is always right.........yet!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:09 am 
Offline
new member

Joined: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:30 am
Posts: 15
Location: AUSTRALIA
any idea where a copy can be sourced? The above posts give an idea about the sires that have made the breed, through thick and thin and short and tall!!!!!!!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:30 pm 
Offline
not new
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:07 pm
Posts: 64
Location: central Ohio
I would contact the American Angus Hall of Fame. My x wife got it for me in 2005 or so. They may still have copies.

_________________
The best thing about raising cattle is raising cattle.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:15 pm 
Offline
founding member

Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:35 am
Posts: 666
Location: Eastern Colorado
I think you can get it from Angus Hall of Fame - It's interesting - sure can watch the fads as you turn the pages. Cracker jack, Mr. Angus and Independence to name a few sure made my stomach turn. DNA tests on those dudes would be interesting.

_________________
http://www.axtellcattlecompany.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:50 am 
Offline
Respected Commenter in the Community
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:39 pm
Posts: 1225
Location: Saskatchewan
southpaw wrote:
not so fast my friend...I know somebody who will give Burke a run for his money on reciting pedigrees. Sam Wiley.


Sam is a whiz, but only in the pedigrees he would follow if my memory serves me correctly. Which is fair enough as to why pay attention if it's not in direct contact with you.

_________________
Shane Castle
http://www.castlerockmarketing.com
If you don't where you are going, any road will take you there!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:01 pm 
Offline
new member

Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:03 pm
Posts: 47
Location: Jackson, NC 27845
Name: Roger Leseney
Town: Jackson, NC
trevorgreycattleco wrote:
I would contact the American Angus Hall of Fame. My x wife got it for me in 2005 or so. They may still have copies.

Been trying for find a copy of this book for years. Tried Angus Hall of Fame and Tom. Have not been able to find one at any cost. Please let me know if anyone knows where one can be found.

_________________
HomePlace Angus
visit us at http://www.homeplaceangus.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group